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		<title>By: Dabbling Can Be Big, Are We Ready? : Alexia Golez</title>
		<link>http://blog.ellybabes.com/2007/10/16/would-you-lend-me-e1764/#comment-9921</link>
		<dc:creator>Dabbling Can Be Big, Are We Ready? : Alexia Golez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] easier roads to capital: Some time back Elly blogged how she contributed a loan of $25 in a scheme organised by Kiva to entrepreneurs in developing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ellybabes</title>
		<link>http://blog.ellybabes.com/2007/10/16/would-you-lend-me-e1764/#comment-4878</link>
		<dc:creator>ellybabes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clara, I received the following response from Kiva:

Thanks so much for your email.  Borrowers can only take out one Kiva loan at a time.  We only partner with microfinance institutions with a social mission of lending to the poor in order to avoid pushing entrepreneurs further into poverty--that is the last thing we would want to do.

Sounds like you may have already found this information, but we do post some general information about microfinance on our website.  We also recommend some books that can provide more information about microlending!  ( http://www.kiva.org/about/microfinance)  I want to make these recommendations, because information from experts in the field, will be far more valuable to you than what I have to write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clara, I received the following response from Kiva:</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your email.  Borrowers can only take out one Kiva loan at a time.  We only partner with microfinance institutions with a social mission of lending to the poor in order to avoid pushing entrepreneurs further into poverty&#8211;that is the last thing we would want to do.</p>
<p>Sounds like you may have already found this information, but we do post some general information about microfinance on our website.  We also recommend some books that can provide more information about microlending!  ( <a href="http://www.kiva.org/about/microfinance" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.kiva.org');">http://www.kiva.org/about/microfinance</a>)  I want to make these recommendations, because information from experts in the field, will be far more valuable to you than what I have to write.</p>
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		<title>By: ellybabes</title>
		<link>http://blog.ellybabes.com/2007/10/16/would-you-lend-me-e1764/#comment-4872</link>
		<dc:creator>ellybabes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clara, You are correct, there is nothing in the FAQ about the point you raise above.  I have mailed Kiva and asked them to confirm if loans must be repaid before new ones are taken out or if borrowers can have multiple loans open at once.

I know that you think that you are not discouraging people, but if your comments are left unresponded to and are read by people curious about the micro-financing process, they may be turned off the idea, and personally I don't want that to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clara, You are correct, there is nothing in the FAQ about the point you raise above.  I have mailed Kiva and asked them to confirm if loans must be repaid before new ones are taken out or if borrowers can have multiple loans open at once.</p>
<p>I know that you think that you are not discouraging people, but if your comments are left unresponded to and are read by people curious about the micro-financing process, they may be turned off the idea, and personally I don&#8217;t want that to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://blog.ellybabes.com/2007/10/16/would-you-lend-me-e1764/#comment-4871</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See its the 3 and 4th loan that screams even louder in my head that this is dodge.  The loan sharks/microlenders get people hooked into a situation where all they can do is take out another loan to pay off the interest on the initial loan.  It's one of the basis tactics that loan sharks use.

I couldn't find anything else to say that there was anything dodge about this particular company, and they do appear to be quite open about what they are doing, with plenty of links to infomation, so I guess it's my own misgivings about micro-lenders.  I that this company is probabaly the best of a bad situation.  

I'm certainly not discouraging people from doing what they think is the right thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See its the 3 and 4th loan that screams even louder in my head that this is dodge.  The loan sharks/microlenders get people hooked into a situation where all they can do is take out another loan to pay off the interest on the initial loan.  It&#8217;s one of the basis tactics that loan sharks use.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t find anything else to say that there was anything dodge about this particular company, and they do appear to be quite open about what they are doing, with plenty of links to infomation, so I guess it&#8217;s my own misgivings about micro-lenders.  I that this company is probabaly the best of a bad situation.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly not discouraging people from doing what they think is the right thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: lexia</title>
		<link>http://blog.ellybabes.com/2007/10/16/would-you-lend-me-e1764/#comment-4869</link>
		<dc:creator>lexia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elly - I'm inspired by your post and I will definately do a couple donations. 

I like the face that many of these small businesses are being run by women (often alone) who are trying to provide for their families. Life is tough for single-parent families in Ireland alone, even before one factors in the sustained, generational poverty trap that these applicants are fighting against. 

I think that the underlying purpose behind loaning $25 (which let's face it is a price of a CD or a t-shirt) is noble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elly - I&#8217;m inspired by your post and I will definately do a couple donations. </p>
<p>I like the face that many of these small businesses are being run by women (often alone) who are trying to provide for their families. Life is tough for single-parent families in Ireland alone, even before one factors in the sustained, generational poverty trap that these applicants are fighting against. </p>
<p>I think that the underlying purpose behind loaning $25 (which let&#8217;s face it is a price of a CD or a t-shirt) is noble.</p>
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		<title>By: ellybabes</title>
		<link>http://blog.ellybabes.com/2007/10/16/would-you-lend-me-e1764/#comment-4865</link>
		<dc:creator>ellybabes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clara, they are a long-standing company with wide press coverage. 

To answer your questions:
The loans are not tax-deductible as they are not charitable donations - they are loans of your money.  As part of the loan process, they request a donation of $2.50 to cover admin costs, this donation is tax deductible and this is clearly noted in the FAQ.

As for the interest rates charged by the field partners, you are correct that they are not currently shown on the website.  However, if you access the list of field partners on Kiva.org and then select the specific one you are interested in, you can then click through to their MIX profile (The Microfinance Information eXchange) and see all their financial data.  I read through the profiles of several of the field partners and in the documents was able to discover that the average interest rate charged is between 2.5 - 25%. If anyone decides to make a loan, then they can check out all the financial info and history of the lender on the MIX website (linked from Kiva).

I think you've mis-read the section of the FAQ that you speak about above: "They talk about the loaners having to pay a voluntary fee to take out a loan - but they already paying interest?"
The actual text is: To this end, we support ourselves principally on the "optional fees" our lenders voluntarily pay to the organization in addition to the loans they make.
That's LENDERS, not BORROWERS - they ask the lender for an additional voluntary donation of $2.50 to cover admin costs - this is not charged to the borrower.

I was happy enough to go ahead, I figured that if extorbitant interest fees of 400% etc were being charged, then surely more loans would have been defaulted on? They have a pay-back rate of over 99%, which logically suggests to me that interest rates must be fair for people to have achieved that... Also, many of the clients are on their 3rd and 4th loan, so something must have made them choose the same company again and again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clara, they are a long-standing company with wide press coverage. </p>
<p>To answer your questions:<br />
The loans are not tax-deductible as they are not charitable donations - they are loans of your money.  As part of the loan process, they request a donation of $2.50 to cover admin costs, this donation is tax deductible and this is clearly noted in the FAQ.</p>
<p>As for the interest rates charged by the field partners, you are correct that they are not currently shown on the website.  However, if you access the list of field partners on Kiva.org and then select the specific one you are interested in, you can then click through to their MIX profile (The Microfinance Information eXchange) and see all their financial data.  I read through the profiles of several of the field partners and in the documents was able to discover that the average interest rate charged is between 2.5 - 25%. If anyone decides to make a loan, then they can check out all the financial info and history of the lender on the MIX website (linked from Kiva).</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve mis-read the section of the FAQ that you speak about above: &#8220;They talk about the loaners having to pay a voluntary fee to take out a loan - but they already paying interest?&#8221;<br />
The actual text is: To this end, we support ourselves principally on the &#8220;optional fees&#8221; our lenders voluntarily pay to the organization in addition to the loans they make.<br />
That&#8217;s LENDERS, not BORROWERS - they ask the lender for an additional voluntary donation of $2.50 to cover admin costs - this is not charged to the borrower.</p>
<p>I was happy enough to go ahead, I figured that if extorbitant interest fees of 400% etc were being charged, then surely more loans would have been defaulted on? They have a pay-back rate of over 99%, which logically suggests to me that interest rates must be fair for people to have achieved that&#8230; Also, many of the clients are on their 3rd and 4th loan, so something must have made them choose the same company again and again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://blog.ellybabes.com/2007/10/16/would-you-lend-me-e1764/#comment-4861</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elly, I'm not so sure that this is a terribly kosher set-up.
FAQ.
They say they tax deductible then they say they not.
They say they vet the field partners and make sure that charge decent interest rates but they not sure what the interest rates are - they busy collecting them for the website
They talk about the loaners having to pay a voluntary fee to take out a loan - but they already paying interest?

I'm just terribly scared of microlenders I've seen first hand how much damage 400% loans cause people.   While the concept is good there was too much in the FAQ section to put me off wanting to donate or investigate them any further.

Sorry to put a damper on it, but let me know what you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elly, I&#8217;m not so sure that this is a terribly kosher set-up.<br />
FAQ.<br />
They say they tax deductible then they say they not.<br />
They say they vet the field partners and make sure that charge decent interest rates but they not sure what the interest rates are - they busy collecting them for the website<br />
They talk about the loaners having to pay a voluntary fee to take out a loan - but they already paying interest?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just terribly scared of microlenders I&#8217;ve seen first hand how much damage 400% loans cause people.   While the concept is good there was too much in the FAQ section to put me off wanting to donate or investigate them any further.</p>
<p>Sorry to put a damper on it, but let me know what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: K8 the Gr8</title>
		<link>http://blog.ellybabes.com/2007/10/16/would-you-lend-me-e1764/#comment-4857</link>
		<dc:creator>K8 the Gr8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair play to you, girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair play to you, girl.</p>
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